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Interview with Nickolas Papadopoulos, Ph.D., Johns Hopkins University

Nickolas Papadopoulos, Ph.D., Professor of Oncology and Pathology, Johns Hopkins Sidney Kimmel Comprehensive Cancer Center

Director of Translational Genetics, Ludwig Center at Johns Hopkins University

Interview Early Cancer Detection Multi-Cancer Screening

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From Early Detection to Cancer Interception: Finding the lesions that will become dangerous

Detecting cancer earlier is only part of the challenge. The next frontier is identifying which precancerous lesions are biologically destined to progress. Papadopoulos points to combinations of DNA, RNA, proteins and other biomarkers, as well as sampling bodily fluids closer to the lesion, as promising ways to find these elusive signals.

Q1 Your newest work points to a harder problem than detecting cancer early: distinguishing a precancerous lesion that will become dangerous from one that may never progress. Which biological signals look most promising, and what is your team pursuing next to make cancer interception possible?
A: Precancerous lesions still have genetic and epigenetic changes much like cancers. So, similar signals look promising. The issue with developing liquid-biopsy-based tests to detect precancerous lesions is the scarcity of the cancer signal, i.e. biomarkers, in blood, which affects the sensitivity of an assay.

One approach is to identify some combination of biomarkers that could increase the sensitivity. There is work being done on this and, in addition to DNA, other biomarkers are being studied, like proteins and RNA.

Another approach is to use a different medium than blood, like bodily fluids that are closer to the source of the lesions desired to be detected. For example, the use of urine for detecting bladder lesions.

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What NHS-Galleri Really Tells Us: Stage shift alone is not enough

The first randomized MCED trial to report results raised a more fundamental question about how these tests should be judged. Papadopoulos argues that simply counting Stage III and IV cancers misses important differences among tumor types. Future trials will need to show whether screening finds cancers when cure is realistically possible, while also measuring survival, benefits and harms.

Q2 The NHS-Galleri trial, the first randomized MCED trial to report results, found 14% fewer Stage IV diagnoses after three annual screenings, but missed its primary endpoint of reducing combined Stage III–IV cancers. What do you believe the trial actually proved, and what must the next generation of MCED tests and trials do differently?
A: Although the primary endpoint had to do with reduction of Stage III–IV cancers, an in-depth analysis of the data is needed. Some of these data were presented at ASCO 2026.

What is important is to look at the type of tumors identified and at what stage. For some tumor types Stage III is manageable, while for other tumor types even Stage I is not.

Future randomized controlled prospective interventional studies should focus not only on the reduction of stage. For example, the endpoints should include a more detailed view that includes the cancer types detected, the stages identified, in how many cases there is an opportunity to treat people with intent to cure, and cancer-specific survival, to mention a few.

We need to know the benefits as well as the harms of MCED tests before widespread adoption.

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The Bar for Routine Screening: High specificity, meaningful cancers and an opportunity to cure

For population screening, false positives can quickly overwhelm the benefits of a test because cancer remains uncommon among asymptomatic people. Papadopoulos says the strongest case for MCED will come from finding cancers that currently lack standard screening tests, before symptoms appear and while treatment still has curative potential.

Q3 What evidence would convince you that multi-cancer blood testing is ready for routine screening, and what finding would make you pull back?
A: I will start with what would make me pull back. That would be low specificity. This test is meant to be used as a screening test. Cancer in asymptomatic individuals is rare, approximately 1% depending on the age of the population. So, the test needs to be specific, avoiding a large number of false-positive results which could lead to unnecessary procedures.

What will keep me going is detection of cancers for which we do not have standard-of-care tests, detected before symptoms at stages where there is an opportunity to manage these individuals with intent to cure.

I see early detection of cancer as being proactive, instead of reactive, about detecting the disease to address underdiagnosis. Earlier detection of cancer will result in the reduction of sickness and death from cancer. It provides an opportunity to deliver management, including surgeries and therapies, with intent to cure and not just to prolong life. Drugs that are now used to treat metastatic stages of cancer should have better results in individuals whose cancer was detected earlier.

I do not mean to minimize other aspects associated with the successful clinical implementation of a test, like cost, accessibility, etc. I have focused my answer on why it is worth trying to deliver such a test.
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